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	<title>Comments on: Vanessa Fox is [Almost, in a Philosophical Sense, Somewhat] Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Vanessa, hello. Thanks for commenting,&lt;br /&gt;
I do hope you realize that I am a stupid, self absorbed, drunk and crappy poet, who really shouldn&#039;t be taken very seriously. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanessa, hello. Thanks for commenting,<br />
I do hope you realize that I am a stupid, self absorbed, drunk and crappy poet, who really shouldn&#8217;t be taken very seriously. <img src='http://www.seoish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1667</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rand, a &quot;bit&quot; linkbaity? Dude, the title was intended entirely to be linkbait. It&#039;s way too over the top for anyone to take seriously, one hopes.

...I have, however, edited the title, although as a linkbait master, that may cause you to be disappointed in me. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, a &#8220;bit&#8221; linkbaity? Dude, the title was intended entirely to be linkbait. It&#8217;s way too over the top for anyone to take seriously, one hopes.</p>
<p>&#8230;I have, however, edited the title, although as a linkbait master, that may cause you to be disappointed in me. <img src='http://www.seoish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sitemost, I appreciate it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sitemost, I appreciate it <img src='http://www.seoish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1661</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inflate, I agree with you there, Vanessa is a great person to do it, and all her points were correct. I agreed with them. I know her history well at Google, I have no argument that she is the person to clear up a quiz. My point is that she doesn&#039;t have experience as an SEO.
Would you create a title that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=seomoz+quiz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;would do this&lt;/a&gt; to the search results of your friend? Or what about the way that affects potential users of SEOmoz?

She would feel differently if Zillows competitors had a few titles is the results that said &quot;Zillow is installing badware onto their visitors websites&quot;
But in the end, the real reason I don&#039;t like it is because people are trying to learn online, and she has muddied this up instead of cleared it up with such an asinine title.
The quiz is technically correct now and Rand has cleared up the relatively few (6) items Vanessa mentioned. So now, our situation is a nice quiz that is termed as &quot;completely wrong&quot; by a person known to represent Google. Just seems dumb.

All of this is soooo yesterday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inflate, I agree with you there, Vanessa is a great person to do it, and all her points were correct. I agreed with them. I know her history well at Google, I have no argument that she is the person to clear up a quiz. My point is that she doesn&#8217;t have experience as an SEO.<br />
Would you create a title that <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=seomoz+quiz" rel="nofollow">would do this</a> to the search results of your friend? Or what about the way that affects potential users of SEOmoz?</p>
<p>She would feel differently if Zillows competitors had a few titles is the results that said &#8220;Zillow is installing badware onto their visitors websites&#8221;<br />
But in the end, the real reason I don&#8217;t like it is because people are trying to learn online, and she has muddied this up instead of cleared it up with such an asinine title.<br />
The quiz is technically correct now and Rand has cleared up the relatively few (6) items Vanessa mentioned. So now, our situation is a nice quiz that is termed as &#8220;completely wrong&#8221; by a person known to represent Google. Just seems dumb.</p>
<p>All of this is soooo yesterday</p>
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		<title>By: Inflatemouse</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1656</link>
		<dc:creator>Inflatemouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Vanessa was Product Manager of Webmaster Central</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: Vanessa was Product Manager of Webmaster Central</p>
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		<title>By: Inflatemouse</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1655</link>
		<dc:creator>Inflatemouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vanessa is not just a former Google employee. She is the former Webmaster Tools Project Manager. I doubt that many professional SEOs (even in a lengthy career) will ever be privy to the sheer amount site related data that she had access to. Plus she is mis-attributed in support of a question. 

I think Vanessa is unquestionably the most appropriately credentialed person to point out technical errors in the quiz&#039;s questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanessa is not just a former Google employee. She is the former Webmaster Tools Project Manager. I doubt that many professional SEOs (even in a lengthy career) will ever be privy to the sheer amount site related data that she had access to. Plus she is mis-attributed in support of a question. </p>
<p>I think Vanessa is unquestionably the most appropriately credentialed person to point out technical errors in the quiz&#8217;s questions.</p>
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		<title>By: SiteMost</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>SiteMost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pat,

You get my vote purely because of your passion on the issue - this is one of the few topics I haven&#039;t seen you crack a joke about which indicates how serious you are about it.

As a side-note I also have to say how impressed I am with the professionalism and respect shown through-out the comments (on your blog, Vanessa&#039;s and the SEOmoz Quiz post)... sure there are some people pointing-out what they agree/disagree with but there&#039;s been minimal unproductive responses (like &quot;yeah the quiz sucks&quot; ).

Anyways... I agree with a lot of your points, a lot of Vanessa&#039;s points... and a lot of the comments.  Keep up the great work - you&#039;ve won yourself another blog subscriber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pat,</p>
<p>You get my vote purely because of your passion on the issue &#8211; this is one of the few topics I haven&#8217;t seen you crack a joke about which indicates how serious you are about it.</p>
<p>As a side-note I also have to say how impressed I am with the professionalism and respect shown through-out the comments (on your blog, Vanessa&#8217;s and the SEOmoz Quiz post)&#8230; sure there are some people pointing-out what they agree/disagree with but there&#8217;s been minimal unproductive responses (like &#8220;yeah the quiz sucks&#8221; ).</p>
<p>Anyways&#8230; I agree with a lot of your points, a lot of Vanessa&#8217;s points&#8230; and a lot of the comments.  Keep up the great work &#8211; you&#8217;ve won yourself another blog subscriber</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://www.seoish.com/why-vanessa-fox-is-wrong-about-seomoz-being-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rand, I&#039;ll take the beers :) 

I am just hoping to see a title like &quot;why patrick sexton is wrong about vanessa fox being wrong about seomoz being wrong&quot;

not for the link, just so I could respond to it with an even longer title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, I&#8217;ll take the beers <img src='http://www.seoish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I am just hoping to see a title like &#8220;why patrick sexton is wrong about vanessa fox being wrong about seomoz being wrong&#8221;</p>
<p>not for the link, just so I could respond to it with an even longer title.</p>
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		<title>By: randfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>randfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat - first off, I&#039;ve got to give you mad props for being such a big fan, and rabid defender. I owe you, like, ten cupcakes and a beer (or is that ten beers and a cupcake). That said...

Vanessa&#039;s a close friend and someone who CERTAINLY knows more about this stuff, at least in the academic sense than I do. Remember that Vanessa&#039;s role at Google meant she got to peek into not only the ranking factors, but the habits of the crawlers, the habits of websites and exactly what made each tick. Vanessa&#039;s corrected me plenty of times in the past and I hope she does so again in the future.

The only thing I would note is that her title &quot;completely wrong&quot; when she only disagreed with maybe 10% of the questions (a little less) is a bit &quot;linkbaity.&quot; But hey, as someone noted above, if we can do linkbait with our quiz, why can&#039;t Vanessa do linkbait to respond to it.

I&#039;ll be working to clean up the questions she mentioned (many just need to be phrased more carefully) tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &#8211; first off, I&#8217;ve got to give you mad props for being such a big fan, and rabid defender. I owe you, like, ten cupcakes and a beer (or is that ten beers and a cupcake). That said&#8230;</p>
<p>Vanessa&#8217;s a close friend and someone who CERTAINLY knows more about this stuff, at least in the academic sense than I do. Remember that Vanessa&#8217;s role at Google meant she got to peek into not only the ranking factors, but the habits of the crawlers, the habits of websites and exactly what made each tick. Vanessa&#8217;s corrected me plenty of times in the past and I hope she does so again in the future.</p>
<p>The only thing I would note is that her title &#8220;completely wrong&#8221; when she only disagreed with maybe 10% of the questions (a little less) is a bit &#8220;linkbaity.&#8221; But hey, as someone noted above, if we can do linkbait with our quiz, why can&#8217;t Vanessa do linkbait to respond to it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be working to clean up the questions she mentioned (many just need to be phrased more carefully) tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Jeremy, and what effective link bait is was! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Jeremy, and what effective link bait is was! <img src='http://www.seoish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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